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Tatárlaka (Tărtăria) (Old European ideographs) (References 1.) text entry 2012-07-20 03:29:05       Writing Systems
Old Hungarian AND Szekely-Hungarian Rovas scripts on Hensel's map from 1730 audiovisual entry 2012-07-12 11:00:20 2 languages Old Hungarian (Hungarian Runic) [Hung]    
Hungarian scripts should be reorganized discussion starter 2012-07-12 05:29:58 2 languages Old Hungarian (Hungarian Runic) [Hung]   Writing Systems
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Old Hungarian web page 2012-07-09 05:55:52 Hungarian [hun] Old Hungarian (Hungarian Runic) [Hung]    
Heritage of Scribes - The Relation of Rovas Scripts to Eurasian Writing Systems book 2012-07-04 08:10:10 Hungarian [hun]      
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Comment #1 on 'Script Families' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-04 04:22:14

There should be included the Rovas script family. Examples: Carphatian Basin Rovas, Szekely-Hungarian Rovas, Khazarian Rovas.
Description: The Rovas script family contains several different orthographies, which can be classified into the main categories (Szekely-Hungarian Rovas, Carpathian Basin Rovas, and Khazarian Rovas).

2013-06-20 06:19:42 Script Families
Comment #5 on 'Script Description' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-20 03:04:20

About the right for naming a script - ISO 15924 must consider this: Resolution adopted by the General Assembly
61/295. United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
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Article 13
1. Indigenous peoples have the right to revitalize, use, develop and transmit to future generations their histories, languages, oral traditions, philosophies, writing systems and literatures, and to designate and retain their own names for communities, places and persons.

2012-07-20 03:14:37 Script Description [Old Hungarian]
Comment #1 on 'Scripts around the world (map)' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-19 13:44:42

The (Szekely-Hungarian) Rovas script sample has been added to the map. Script currently in use in center of Europe, where Hungarians live (Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Ukraine, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia - inside area of Carphatian-Basin).

2012-07-20 03:12:21 Scripts around the world (map)
Comment #1 on 'Font Information' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-20 02:53:19

Hosszú Gábor's font's keyboard layout (in this case for RTL directionality):

2012-07-20 03:12:02 Font Information
Comment #1 on 'Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-04 04:29:30

There is a more detailed and scientifically backed proposal for encoding:  http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4222.pdf and related documents.

[Editorial Note: This is now included in the list above, dated 2012-02-02]

2012-07-19 05:54:29 Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)
Comment #5 on 'Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-17 10:05:42

Linguistic aspects regarding of naming issues (Block, Script, Character) of Rovas Script. Letter from Hungarian linguist: Dr. Erzsébet Zwelliger, linguist-dialectologist; Assoc. Prof. in the Eötvös Lóránd University, Dept. of Hungarian Historical Linguistics, Sociolinguistics, and Dialectology; Candidate of Sciences (PhD) of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences; Member of the Scholarly Public Body of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

2012-07-19 05:53:53 Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)
Comment #2 on 'Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-17 09:44:46

In the "Declaration of Support for the Advancement of the Encoding of the old Hungarian Script — Miklós Szondi (president of the “Természetesen” society and chair of the “Egységes rovás” conference) (WG2=n4267, L2/12-189)" there are listed non-existing organizations; and associations whose name were illegally used. See enclosed letter for example (Mandorla Public Education Association).

2012-07-17 11:57:58 Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)
Comment #4 on 'Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-17 09:46:55

Mandorla's letter part 2.

2012-07-17 11:57:02 Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)
Comment #3 on 'Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-17 09:46:12

Mandorla's letter part 1.

2012-07-17 11:56:48 Unicode Status (Old Hungarian)
Comment #2 on 'Old Hungarian Script' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-17 09:31:53

For record: this 'Old Hungarian Script' page on the Wikipedia has been vandalised many times possibly from Unicode related private persons, who do not accept the use of the term 'Rovas' instead of 'Old Hungarian'. The Hungarians have the right to give a name to their own script. Only extinct scripts have English names, scripts currently used have generally the name as used in their language.

2012-07-17 11:49:32 Old Hungarian Script
Comment #4 on 'Script Description' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-17 09:04:05

Dear Stephanie. Thanks for removing alternate name 'Hungarian Rune'. However if ScriptSource follows strictly on ISO 15924 standard it will not be able to recognize fundamental errors, as we have pointed out. ScriptSource should follow the reality, not the standards, but of course, there should be reference to it. This script (Szekely-Hungarian) has its own name. Only dead, extinct scripts have English name: (Old Permic, Old Italian etc). As your table of scripts show: the 'Old Hungarian' is a living script (script currently in use), so the word 'OLD' is not correct. The ISO 15924 standard should be revised.

2012-07-17 09:28:26 Script Description [Old Hungarian]
Comment #2 on 'Hungarian scripts should be reorganized' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-17 09:23:09

The ISO 15924 should be revised, of course.
It is acceptable, that the 'Old Hungarian' - as Hungarian linguists use this term for Latin scripts used in medieval Hungary - is listed under "Scripts currently in use".

2012-07-17 09:27:33 Hungarian scripts should be reorganized
Comment #1 on 'Old Hungarian Script' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-04 04:32:30

The Hungarian language version of this wikipedia article is less controversial.  http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kely-magyar_rov%C3%A1s

2012-07-12 10:38:43 Old Hungarian Script
Comment #1 on 'Script Description' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-04 04:51:41

The "Old Hungarian" script is a Latin-based writing. It belongs to the Hungarian scripts, it was used in Hungary from the 10th century to 1832. The name of the other script is "Szekely-Hungarian Rovas", in Hungarian "Székely-magyar rovás" or "rovásírás". This script is NOT a member of the family of Runes, the name of "Hungarian Rune" is not correct. An example for Old Hungarian script is here:  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Komjati_sztpal.jpg

2012-07-12 10:38:09 Script Description [Old Hungarian]
Comment #2 on 'Script Description' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-04 04:56:25

"It has also been connected to underground ethnocentric groups in Hungary, although they are by no means the only modern users of the script." - this is not correct. The modern usage of the Rovas script means that there are books, texts, city limit signs, and there are readers and writers as well. There are no "underground ethnocentric groups".

2012-07-12 10:37:22 Script Description [Old Hungarian]
Comment #1 on 'Unicode Scripts Research (Hungarian Runic)' by Rovasinfo on 2012-07-04 05:01:59

In my opinion this is wrong, outdated data. Here are my suggested corrections:

ID: 037
NAME: Szekely-Hungarian Rovas
ALTERNATE NAME(S):TYPE:STATUS: Contemporary
USED FOR (language/family): Hungarian (Magyar)
USED WHERE:
HISTORICAL TIMEFRAME: C9th to present
ORIGIN: Derive indirectly from Eastern branch of the Phoenician script.
COMMENTS: This script was in use by the Szekelys (a special border-guard groups of the Hungarians) up to C19th, after then the Rovas became popular among the whole Hungarian community. A similar script was used by the Huns. This script has significant cultural importance to Hungarians, (especially Szekelys, Hungarians of East Transylvania).
This script was usually written on sticks in boustrophedon style (alternating direction right to left then left to right). (omniglot)
The Rovas include separate letters for all the phonemes of Hungarian. (omniglot)
PRIMARY REFERENCES: Dr. Gábor Hosszú, 2011: Heritage of Scribes  http://books.google.hu/books?id=TyK8azCqC34CSECONDARY REFERENCES:  http://wiki.rovas.info/index.php/Szekely-Hungarian_RovasBIBLIOGRAPHIES:
FONTS AVAILABLE: nimrud.eet.bme.hu/hosszu/fonts/rovas_szekely-magyar.ttf

SCRIPT SAMPLE:
 http://books.google.hu/books?id=TyK8azCqC34C

2012-07-12 10:36:52

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